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Ben
My guest for today is an award-winning artist who's had work featured in famous monsters of film land and in galleries nationwide. She's the mayor she's the mad monster lady, also known as Audrey Rose. Hello, Audrey.
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Audrey Rose
Hi, how you doing?
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Ben
So I was trying to think back. I feel like maybe we've been Instagram friends since like I got on there and in like 2017. Does that sound accurate to you?
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah.
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Ben
Do you remember?
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Audrey Rose
Because I didn't start being super active to like, 2016 so yeah that's when I really kind of got into the community and stuff so I
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Ben
Yeah, and you you paint monsters.
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Audrey Rose
love to paint monsters yes
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Ben
where did that Where did that come from? Let's get into it. What got you started being you know obsessed with monsters?
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Audrey Rose
Uh, it's just, I think we kind of talked about it a little bit like before, but it's just something, I don't know. I've just always been into monsters since I was a little kid. Um, like I can't remember a time when I wasn't into monsters and Halloween and all that kind of stuff. and
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Ben
Okay, we got a we have a we have a monster based emergency right now we have to pause on Your your skeleton Earrings are lovely, but they're jangling all over the microphone Oh
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Audrey Rose
and
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Audrey Rose
Uh-oh. All right.
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Audrey Rose
All right, area.
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Ben
Perfect That's okay. I I talked to my brother last week and had to remind him to take his parakeet out of the room because the parakeets always around making noise.
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Ben
Okay, so you you were obsessed with monsters when you were a kid. Where where were we?
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, and my mom, um she's always been into Halloween and stuff too. So I think I kind of got a little bit of that from her. also because when she was young she really liked the classic monster movies and that's kind of like when they you know exploded on TV you know that kind of monster boom and 60s and stuff so yeah I've just always been into it I love them
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Ben
Yeah. What were some of the first favorites for you?
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Audrey Rose
It's just like the Universal ah monsters, you know, Bride of Frankenstein, um all that kind of stuff, all all the Universal movies. You know, i would I would get up like super early on a Saturday just so I could go watch my Universal Monsters VHS in the living room before anyone got up, you know? So it's just, yeah, I just have such a love for the Universal. So, yeah.
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Ben
What do you think about it, like kind of rang true for you for you when it doesn't for others maybe?
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Audrey Rose
ah Universal?
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Ben
Yeah. Or just monsters in general.
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Audrey Rose
Oh. oh
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Ben
do Do you feel like you are, like, are they an ally or, you know, how what's the connection for you, you think?
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Audrey Rose
ah To the monsters?
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
Because the monsters are or vulnerable. you know like for For most of them, just like they didn't ask to be monsters. you know Like Frankenstein's monster, he didn't ask to be created the wolf man, you know, he got attacked. And so they're very tortured souls, you know, and so I was just always been drawn to that just because I've really struggled with anxiety and depression and mental illness and um kind of battling my own demons. And um I just I was always drawn to this, like the sadness, like it kind of connected me to them and like a deeper level. So
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Ben
That makes sense. Yeah, I think I see that myself. um You know, for me, I talk about you know, my own mental health sort of struggles in figuring out what what has been a pattern my whole life. and And for me, a lot of it is like mediating anxiety. And there's something sort of comforting about the fact, you know, that ah the worst thing that could happen is being attacked by a giant spider or something in a world. You know, it's not it's not the trials and tribulations of real life.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, for sure.
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Ben
So it's sort of comforting in a way. and
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, I just, yeah, I find a lot of comfort um with monsters and that's, you know, why I like to paint them because painting really helps, you know, ease my anxiety and um it's just, it's just really rewarding to like where my art has kind of taken me. So that's just kind of a little added bonus, but it's just, okay something that just really like calms me. so
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Ben
When did you get started painting?
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Audrey Rose
When I was a kid, my grandma, she was a really, really talented artist. She did a lot of landscapes and things like that. And I would go stay at her house and she would teach me you know about painting and all that kind of stuff. So so I've always been into drawing, painting. you know i was you know seven years old, you know, drawing drawing pictures of Boris Karloff. So it's just, yeah, i've I've always been into art also. And yeah, so it's definitely my grandma, for sure.
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Ben
Okay, so was your whole family pretty supportive of your art interests?
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. um My mom has a little antique store and and she has like a whole section dedicated to my art and it's really cool.
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Ben
ah That's nice.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, she sells prints. So it's, you know, and she brags about me, which is cool to hear. And, um you know, like they just they just think it's so cool and it's it's nice to have, ah you know, sort of that validation from your family. um You know, they want me to paint them things and it's just is is fun. So it's like, you know, i'll paint them gifts and it's awesome.
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Ben
Yeah, I get i get kind of can get a little wound up when people ask me for requests. I feel like, oh, there's just already you know so many things in my head that I want to do that that I haven't gotten to or will never get gotten to. And then when somebody tries to add on to my to-do list, I get a little defensive.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah. Yeah. That's why I kind of stopped doing commissions for a while because it for years it's like it just seemed like I was always painting for other people. I wasn't painting things that I wanted for myself. And so that's why now I'm sort of just, you know, making lists of things just for me to do and and really, you know, kind of going after like artist calls, you know, like submitting to you know, gallery shows and things like that. So just really kind of exploring art on a deeper level.
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Audrey Rose
So I i've kind of got into some abstract art and things like that, just kind of broadening my my skills, I guess you say, because, you know, arts is a skill.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
People always say like, oh, I i can't draw a stick figure. It's like, you know, I'm an art teacher and so it's like anything you practice, you're going to get better at. you know I can see from you know when I really got into painting monsters to now, like he i you know you could see a progression of skill, just like you know playing basketball or or whatnot. like You got to put in like the hours and the practice and things like that.
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Ben
It's about motivation, right? Like if if somebody can't do a stick figure, they probably aren't super motivated to to do much more than that.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, for sure. And I, you know, I also really, I teach an art history class also. And so I try to tell the kids, like, there's no such thing as bad art. If you're, if you're expressing yourself, um That's beautiful. like Pablo Picasso, he could paint photo-realistic when he was 12 years old, ah but he decided to paint more abstract because um children, he said, are are more creative. so He felt it was a more creative outlet for his art. so yeah people People don't understand you know that like kind of choice. but
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Ben
No, it's true. I mean, I think that what people get caught up in when they're, especially like when they're getting excited about being a beginner artist and seeing any sort of progress at all, you see you see young people, you know, they can do like a charcoal rendition of their favorite. pop star, movie star, whatever, you know, or self-portrait, whatever. And it's photo-realistic. And, you know, that's fine, but if you're just kind of copying the lights and darks in order to make something that looks like a black and white picture, it's it's actually a little easier and a lot more limited than people might think.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, for sure. um It's just like kids get that in their heads. And even, you know, a lot of adults are it just like, if it's not photorealistic, it's not good.
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Ben
Right.
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Audrey Rose
And so it's just that's like a struggle I have, you know, all year really trying to Because in my art history, we we analyze, you know we critique the art. So you know you have to describe, analyze, interpret the artist's meaning. And then you talk about judgment, like is it successful or not? And sort of like the hidden little secret is that all of it's successful. you know So that's kind of like towards the end of the year, like they start to understand that, which is really cool.
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Ben
If it's finished, you know that's your success.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah.
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Ben
So you you teach art and art history in high school?
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Audrey Rose
Yep, so i I teach kind of like a basic art class, and then I also have like a more advanced one, and then um I teach an art history class.
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Ben
what Is it just general art history?
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Audrey Rose
um We go through all the time periods, so we start, I have two different sections of the class, because you can't fit all of art history into one school year, it's just impossible. So I start at this stone age, and I literally just go through time
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Ben
You know.
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Audrey Rose
you know, Stone Age, Mesopotamia, Egypt, you know, Ancient Greece, Rome, all that.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
And so I can only get to like the Gothic time period, which is like 1400s and then 1300s. And I love the Renaissance so much. And it's just like, I can't get to the Renaissance. So that's why i um I got a new class going for next year where I'm going to start at the Renaissance and then move towards modern art. So I'm like really excited. It's going to be a lot of work this summer, me kind of doing the curriculum, putting the class together and stuff like that. but Yeah, it's just fun like because I pick what I want to talk about you know and what I think is important.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
and And it's just so much fun to hear like the backstories and see how it's not just like someone just painted this or sculpted this or whatnot. like There's a story. There's meaning behind the pieces. And that's what really makes art history fun. And so I'll have kids that maybe didn't pick the class. they They just got put into it. And then they just end up loving it. You know, like I even had a kid a couple years ago. She's gonna go into like archaeology and and all that kind of stuff because of my class like it's just like that's so cool.
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Ben
Wow.
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Audrey Rose
so
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Ben
Yeah, I got this had similar experience when I got out of high school and got into what is known as junior college.
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Audrey Rose
So
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Ben
They they let anybody in. that was nice That was a nice discovery when I was a senior that I had an option. ah But there was a there was an art history teacher that you know I just took as a requirement. I think it was probably Renaissance. And he was like, You know how there's like Bill Murray and then he's got like a brother or two, also in movies.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah.
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Ben
He was like the third Bill Murray brother or something, you know. He's just so Bill or bill Murray-like, but he was just super enthusiastic about art and he was funny. And so I ended up just taking all of his classes. And I remember getting into like ah contemporary art, which was sort of more advanced, you know. And I was excited to to like hear about the people that I was discovering or getting into when I was like 18 or 19 and I guess it must have been a little bit older if it was advanced 20 let's say and uh you know I would ask like when are you going to talk about
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Ben
Norman Rockwell, or H.R. Geiger, or you know and I realize now that you know these were illustrators, basically, that I was asking about.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, I know.
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Ben
um So they they get poo-pooed by the the art world. you know They're not going to be in a new a New York gallery, so you don't talk about them.
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Ben
But I don't know that's just ah you know. That's what I wanted to hear about.
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Audrey Rose
It's like, yeah, they don't get the recognition. Yeah, you'll say Geiger and then people don't even know who he is, but then all of us like horror movie lovers and... science fiction and just like we worship him because this stuff's so amazing and incredible um you know and even yeah Norman Rockwell that's in my head that's how I always wanted to paint because my mom always had like a Norman Rockwell like those collector plates and all like in her house and so it's like I want to paint like Norman Rockwell you know um just like ah
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
Basil Go-Go's who did all a lot of the famous monsters covers and I'm actually wearing a shirt right now.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
A lot of people don't know who he is and he's like my main inspiration for my art style and sort of that you know vintage look that I like to give paintings with the the drastic colors and things like that and people just don't know you know they don't know who he is and yeah and so
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Ben
Sure.
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Audrey Rose
I think that's a cool idea, actually. I think I might kind of incorporate some cool illustrators and things like that. For sure, that's cool.
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Ben
Yeah, it's it seems like, you know, there's always going to be that sort of highbrow and or attitude toward toward art and what is considered art and in the art world and worth talking about in history and what isn't. And it just seems like kind of you're more working artists, um less conceptual. I don't know if they're just not showing in New York or Paris or something. then They don't get talked about as much, but it's a shame, you know. I mean, Gogos, I you know discovered him when I was working at Famous Monsters.
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Ben
I didn't really know about his stuff before, but you know then you see it and you're like, oh okay, I get it. um Seen it around your whole life, but just not really registered maybe.
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Audrey Rose
and
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Ben
And just like, yeah, the exaggerated colors and it's it's crazy color schemes that should not be you know, combined on one image almost, you know, like they're insane. And then by bringing the lights and the darks and the values all together and bringing it together with this sort of macabre subject matter, it just totally works. But it's almost like pop art. It's so it's so colorful.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, for sure. And it's like, to me also, it kind of, it makes it more dramatic. And it kind of brings you in, because that's what art is supposed to do. It's supposed to evoke an emotion in you, whether it's good or bad. That's what art does. And so, you know, Go-Go's just draws you in. I mean, that's, I think, really like how I wanted to start just painting monsters is, you know, I grew up with, you know, famous monsters and obsessing over like those covers and things like that. And just the stark, stark colors. And yeah, it is very, very pop art.
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Audrey Rose
do yeah very cool
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Ben
Well, I wanna get into talking about famous monsters a bit, but first I gotta ask you, do you find your shirt comfortable?
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Ben
Yeah?
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Audrey Rose
yeah
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Ben
Okay, when just just wondering. i was there I was there really for about six or seven months in 2016 and ended up being in charge of the merch very briefly.
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Audrey Rose
too. Yeah, very cool.
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Ben
um But one of my main complaints about the merch was just like it's just so like these thick t-shirts and then the the Printing on them was like those oven mitts those like silicone oven mitts.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah.
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Ben
You know, it's like so thick and you get all sweaty and stinky But
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Audrey Rose
Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, it's actually like some of the older ones that I have, you know, they're super soft or whatever, but you know, some of the newer ones are kind of on that thicker t-shirt stuff, you know? Yeah. Which I mean, but the graphics are so cool. Like I just got some killer Vincent Price ones, like Madhouse and Dr.
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Ben
Oh, yeah.
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Audrey Rose
Five. I was just like, I couldn't pass it up, but Yeah, and I love a soft shirt.
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Ben
Yeah. ah So but you were featured in the magazine. Tell me about that.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, they had, it was in I think 2017 that they had a ah like a contest at the convention. um And so you could submit art and it was like on display at the convention was really cool. And then there was sort of like a, They judged who was the quote-unquote winner of each category because it was like horror or sci-fi. and so mine won which is so cool and uh so they did a little spread in uh when i think the 2017 annual or whatever so i got like a few pages um of art or you know my art in there and they interviewed me which is super cool but i look back on it now and i'm like man i wish i would have hit you know i have paintings that i like way more and you know because it's just but it's it's just so cool and then
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Ben
Mm hmm.
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Audrey Rose
I've been in ah a few other magazines too and you I'll show my kids at school and they're just like, oh cool, whatever. And then my my own kids, I know dude, my own kids are like, huh, okay.
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Ben
They're like, a magazine, wow.
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Audrey Rose
I'm like, this is like kind of a big deal. like And they're just like, whatever.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
They don't they don't get it. but Maybe when they're older they'll go, oh cool, yeah. My mom is an amazing. but
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Ben
Yeah. they So that must have happened around the time that I was was there. I kind of remember, was was there, was it part of San Diego Comic Con?
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Audrey Rose
No, it was, I forget what state, but it was just like a famous monsters con.
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Ben
Oh, they had one in Texas at some point.
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Audrey Rose
Maybe that was, no, maybe, yeah, I think it was Texas. Yeah. Cause I had to send my friend the painting cause you know, I couldn't get there cause I'm in Washington.
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Ben
and
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Audrey Rose
Um, and she, she worked for famous monsters. Candy, I don't know, you know her. um But she, yeah, she worked for the cons and things like that. And so she was able to take it in there for me. So that was really cool.
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Ben
Yeah, the turnover there was insane. And then there was also a lot of like, the editors and writers and stuff were all basically in Southern California. And then Northern California was like, the quote headquarters where the new owner at the time worked and, you know, basically ran the merch, selling merch and and got the magazine out. But like the magazine at that point was like, uh,
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Ben
an afterthought for them. They like they were like annoyed at having to put um a magazine out, really. They were thinking about other things.
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Audrey Rose
o
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Ben
But yeah, I got in around the same time. um I did something for Stand Against Evil and got Dana Gould in touch with the magazine and got an interview in there and and everything for them. And then I did an alt cover of one of the monsters from that show. And it got, it got a little postage stamp size thing on the interior. So I guess that's fine, but I was, I was kind of hoping it would be like one of those alt covers, you know, like they could do a second cover, but.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, that's cool.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah. I know. That's like my goal. That's my dream is to get a cover on just, you know, any magazine, any monster mag.
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Audrey Rose
But I really wish that a magazine would just go back to the old school famous monsters, you know, kind of on that a little bit cheaper, gritty paper, you know, and just make it like that's, I would love to try to do some
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Ben
they did I think they just did that. There's new owners that just just bought it like maybe last year. ah Somebody from Slipknot bought it.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, Corey Taylor, yeah, is killer.
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Ben
Yeah, yeah. And and so he co-owns it. And um yeah, I saw on somebody's Instagram, the new art director, that that they actually put it on newsprint again.
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Audrey Rose
Oh man, that's so awesome, yes.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
Yes.
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Ben
I was, that was the kind of stuff I was advocating for when I was there.
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Audrey Rose
Because then, you know, yeah.
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Ben
I was like, this is, the magazine should smell musty.
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Audrey Rose
Right? I know, I love the smell of like books and and old magazines.
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Ben
Yeah, I thought I was insane, but oh well. It, you know, it all led to me making my own brand and, you know, doing things my own way. So it was nice to kind of get a full rejection from somebody and not worry about it.
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Audrey Rose
Well, it's just, I mean, also it would make it more affordable, you know, because I think that's what kind of killed it, you know, a few years ago is just that, you know, it's $15 for a magazine, you know, or a subscription is just kind of crazy.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Audrey Rose
And so, yeah, it's just making it more affordable. And I mean, that's going to make it blow up again, you know, so.
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Ben
It's just not the kind of thing that needs to be glossy on the interior pages, you know.
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Audrey Rose
No. Oh, yeah.
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Ben
I can't see like I'm getting blinded by the reflections of this age.
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Audrey Rose
I know right?
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Ben
What else did I want to ask you about? Let's see. Um, so you are a teacher and a parent and an artist. And so, you know, I'm right there with you, except I'm not trying to teach too, but like, how do you manage your time? How do you get your movie watching in and your painting time in and get it all done?
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Audrey Rose
So um at school, like during my um my regular art making classes, art's a very different subject than, let's say, math. So when I teach you know ah you know a project and and ah techniques, you know, I teach it and then they have two weeks or whatever and they're just kind of on their own making stuff. I'm, you know, walking around giving tips and stuff, but then there's a lot of time where I can sit and paint. And I i think that's really cool for the kids to see, you know, me creating the art also. um And so when I come home, you know, like take care of my kids, I guess you got to feed them, all that kind of stuff.
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Audrey Rose
and um In the evenings, that's when I um i paint. like I put on a movie or a show and I just ah just paint. So that's like kind of my my relaxing kind of thing that you know I look forward to. so
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Ben
Yeah, that makes sense. I think a lot of people take advantage of the night hours. I have sleep issues, so it's hard to like muster the energy these days to to do anything past eight. But.
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. There's some days where I'm just like, I can't, you know, I'm just tired or, you know, cause I gotta get super early for school, but...
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Ben
Yeah. do Do you ever get into like the themed group shows at galleries? Are you doing that kind of stuff?
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Audrey Rose
Yeah, there was one, um... I've been in several of the themed shows, so they just had one last summer. I think it was at the, oh gosh, I forget. Oh, it's the And Gallery. And um so it was like a themed show about monster lore. So like you were kind of supposed to, you know, do a backstory and all that kind of stuff. So I did Dracula and then I had, of course, I got to put Legosi. And then I had, ah kind of like different things that but they go into it so like garlic and rosary and you know a steak things like that so things that kind of represent um you know kind of our our idea you know of Dracula stuff like that I've been in there was a monster show
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Audrey Rose
I think a couple years ah ago, and I actually did a painting of Albert Fish, the serial killer, and his his nickname was the werewolf of Wisteria.
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Ben
Okay.
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Audrey Rose
And so I i painted him as a werewolf. So they they got that in.
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Ben
Oh yeah.
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Audrey Rose
It was pretty cool. And, you know, I've i've done and you know other monster shows and I actually had my own little set up at a gallery and it was just all, I just did a bunch of universal monsters ah for that. So it's cool. Yeah, I'm always on on the hunt for gallery shows. i just I just think it's so much fun and rewarding and it's super cool to see your art. Like I had an art piece, it's like kind of like my first kind of venture into abstract.
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Audrey Rose
and i And I got that into a gallery show around here. And so I brought my kids. And of course, they're just like like, when are we going to go? I'm just like, your mom's art is hanging up. Don't you see? They're just like, yeah. So you know, kids, they kind of don't understand.
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Ben
It's like, it's like their duty to their, their role in life to make sure to deflate their parents and make sure that you feel boring.
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Audrey Rose
I know. I know, like, man. I know. I'm like, you know, you have a pretty cool mom. Like, most moms, you know, Aren't into monsters and have their whole house decorated monsters and there's like, you know, when they get older, they're going to be like, oh my God, I guess crazy.
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Ben
and
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Audrey Rose
But it's fun.
00:28:37.82
Ben
Yeah. With my, with my boy, he likes to, you know, obviously loves cartoons and he likes to ask me about industry stuff all the time. And I do my best. I'm not like i exactly in LA or anything, but I do my best to tell him about the differences between what, you know, Nickelodeon was trying to do versus what cartoon network and how they, how they all kind of, I don't know why I'm talking to my seven year old about corporations and mergers and things like that. It doesn't matter.
00:29:05.77
Audrey Rose
That's cool though. Yeah, I love it when kids have an interest in stuff like that. So my, my kids are really getting into drawing and they're obsessed with ah Godzilla and Jurassic World, Jurassic Park. And so they're really, because they're drawing a lot, like you can see the progression, but my oldest He's 13. He is an incredible sculptor. And he actually sculpted a Skeksi mask from the Dark Crystal. And um he's he's one of those where he just he'll do something and then be done. I'm like, no, you need to take your time. So I really forced him to like, OK, you got to keep going. You got to you know do this part or whatever. And just it's incredible. um I promised him last Halloween that I would mold it. But like I've never molded a mask before. so
00:29:53.31
Audrey Rose
Um, yeah, I wanna, I wanna mold it from so that he can actually use it, you know, for Halloween.
00:29:58.80
Ben
That sounds cool. I mean, I love sculpture and I think there was a ah moment where I could have veered that way and been very happy, but I just didn't go that direction. Maybe I didn't want to carry all the sculptures to art, you know, art class or whatever on the bus. But yeah, I love the idea of mask making and all that. and I think I could be, I could enjoy that. Maybe in my retirement, you know, I'll have my own garage where I can do that sort of thing.
00:30:27.56
Audrey Rose
Yeah, like Rick Baker, like he's retired and he's just, God, he's making the most incredible stuff.
00:30:29.17
Ben
Yeah.
00:30:31.97
Audrey Rose
But it's just stuff he wants to do, which is so killer. Like he just, he's working on a Karloff from Ryder Frankenstein, you know, and it's just like the detail, man.
00:30:40.14
Ben
Yeah.
00:30:41.49
Audrey Rose
He's like, ugh. I just, i'm ah I'm obsessed with like makeup artists too, like Dick Smith, you know, and Rick Baker, and all those guys. Like I just, you know, Jack Pierce, like I got to go to his grave last year at Forest Lawn and I got to do a grave rubbing. and so sure like It's a hanging in my house. like I have like Jack Pierce. I got to see Dwight Fry. Dude, and then I, Lon Chaney.
00:31:04.76
Ben
i i guess so I got so confused for a second because I thought you said you did a grave a grave robbing. as I was like, wait, what's that?
00:31:12.28
Audrey Rose
Oh, that would be so cool. No. And then I got to see Lon Chaney. And he's in an unmarked, like he's in their mausoleum part. and I had to sort of pretend like I was his granddaughter um to get in there.
00:31:28.06
Ben
Sure.
00:31:29.69
Audrey Rose
But I mean, it was just like, it was so powerful just to be close to someone that you've just idolized and has brought you so much. enjoyment you know like it was just it was very overwhelming emotional for me so but I had like a list of all the monster dudes I wanted to see you know like William Castle and you know Dwight Pride and some of my poor friend like it was like a hundred degrees there and in california and she's just like just watching me run around making great rubbings all these because I had a list like I got I got uh uncle forie you know for sacrament and this is awesome
00:31:59.21
Ben
just
00:32:03.67
Ben
yeah
00:32:07.34
Ben
Yeah, I was just watching Let's Scare um dang it who who did they scare to death let's let's scare Kimberly to death no who was it anyway yeah it was so bad with names like I just watched that movie like two days ago but she would go around and do the grave rubbings and that was pretty fun you know makes for
00:32:19.19
Audrey Rose
Oh yeah, it was like, yeah, let's shoot. Jennifer, is it Jennifer? yeah There's probably people yelling right now.
00:32:31.64
Audrey Rose
yeah
00:32:39.18
Ben
I was she would put them up on the wall of their new house and I was like, Oh man, you could you could just do a few and and quickly end up with like wallpaper just like we paste on your wall.
00:32:50.25
Audrey Rose
Yeah, dude.
00:32:51.10
Ben
That would look pretty cool.
00:32:52.28
Audrey Rose
Yeah, I got a Lugosi one too. Like that was so awesome. Like I just sat at his grave for hours. Cause he's in Holy Cross Cemetery and so I just, I made tons of grave rubbings. And so yeah, like put them up in my classroom. Cause my whole classroom is like my house. It's just covered in monsters and all these stuff. Like wall to wall, like there's no wall space left, but yeah, it's just, you know, and so I'm going to go to, um,
00:33:11.47
Ben
yeah
00:33:17.83
Audrey Rose
Hollywood Forever Cemetery this this summer and so I'm just I gotta make my list of like all the the monster people I need to see you know so I think Vampira Malia near me I think she's there I can't remember um yeah so I got I gotta go see her for sure but Jessica I knew it was a J yeah what I gotta watch that
00:33:28.57
Ben
Yeah. I think so.
00:33:36.16
Ben
Jessica, let's scare Jessica. And they would be like, Jessica, Jessica.
00:33:44.66
Ben
It's pretty good. You know, I do not fall for jump scares. um And one got me, like I've never experienced before.
00:33:49.65
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:33:54.08
Ben
I was just like laying there in bed like I do watching on my um my iPad. And for some reason in the first like half hour or so of the movie, there was a jump scare moment that like was just shot in a certain way or it just I gasped and like reared back. Luckily my wife didn't notice but
00:34:12.04
Audrey Rose
dude, isn't that so awesome? Like when a movie can still like, cause you know, for me, you know, you've seen all this horror and gores up and, um, you know, like you get kind of, I don't know if you sensitized, but when I watched hereditary in the theater, my, I was gripping my arms so tight that my arms hurt afterwards just cause it's like the intensity that movie just the buildup of it it's just like oh my god you know and then I yeah dude
00:34:43.47
Ben
You, um, Joshua from haunting season, I was just talking to him and he brought up hereditary and I'm scared. I'm scared to watch it. Cause especially when there's like child stuff, you know, you're a parent when there's kids stuff, it's, I feel like I can see it.
00:34:55.44
Audrey Rose
oh yeah it's it's brutal dude like yeah I know yeah We were just, I was just talking with my friend, you know, like yesterday about that game cards against humanity. And I guess there's one about killing a baby or something like that.
00:35:09.72
Ben
Yeah.
00:35:13.25
Audrey Rose
And my friend's like, yeah, I got to take that card out every time like throwing the garbage. It's like, I know, like, why would you put something like that in there?
00:35:20.08
Ben
Because it was written by 19-year-olds, maybe. I don't know.
00:35:24.36
Audrey Rose
It's just horrible.
00:35:27.62
Ben
Well, let's take a quick break. And ah when we get back, we got a special little topic for us. OK, so I asked you to come up with something that we could talk about um that was like maybe an early influence for you. from your childhood and you said uh... crestwood monster books tell me about crestwood monster books
00:35:53.83
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:35:57.99
Audrey Rose
Oh god. So they're children's books actually and there's, it's a whole series. I can't remember exactly how many, but they had like a Dracula one. They had Frankenstein, you know, every, all the monsters even have like Godzilla. um ah think there's a mad scientist one things like that so in my little school library you know second grade me i go up to librarian and i'd say do you have any monster books and then he'd take my hand and i go over to you know the little section and i just would check him out over and over and over and just just drool over the pictures and um it was just so awesome that like in my school library they had these books and they're
00:36:40.07
Audrey Rose
um I want to say they were made in like the late 80s, but in like the monster collecting world, they're very sought after now. Like they, you know, they go for like a hundred bucks or more sometimes, but um years later, I think I was like 20 or something. You know how our libraries will do book sales and get rid of all their old books.
00:36:59.00
Ben
Yeah. and
00:36:59.94
Audrey Rose
And I was at the one for my elementary school, or like it was like a district one, but it was elementary. and all the other schools were doing this thing and I found them. I found the exact books I used to check out. So it's so cool. It says my element elementary school. And I'm like, man, I checked this out when I was seven, eight years old. Like it's just crazy. Yeah. i Just the odds of like getting those books like that.
00:37:24.82
Ben
That's cool.
00:37:25.94
Audrey Rose
It's just, oh gosh, it's amazing. I can't seem to find more than just Dracula and Frankenstein because I have, um, You know, I have doubles and triples of of those, but I need to get the rest of them.
00:37:40.23
Ben
Okay, it says here that they were published from 77 to 87, and that there's 15.
00:37:44.69
Audrey Rose
Oh, okay, yeah.
00:37:47.01
Ben
Most of them were written by Ian Thorne, which is a pseudonym used by Julian May.
00:37:55.66
Audrey Rose
Hmm.
00:37:57.52
Ben
Interesting, interesting. Yeah, i haven't I feel like it's one of those things, like I was saying with famous monsters, where the imagery looks very familiar, but I don't think I have any memories of picking them up or anything.
00:38:11.80
Audrey Rose
Yeah, it was so awesome. And they had like, you know, and just this really bright orange back cover and and then a really just killer picture on the front. um They focused on, you know, a lot of the universal monsters, but there were those, you know, King Kong and just so cool. Yeah.
00:38:30.96
Ben
It reminds me of one that I got like when I was maybe 30.
00:38:36.86
Audrey Rose
Oh, let me see. I can't see it.
00:38:39.16
Ben
The movie treasury of horror movies.
00:38:42.30
Audrey Rose
Oh.
00:38:43.92
Ben
And I got this when I was like 30, so I wasn't a kid, but it was one of those things where like horror has always been something that like I enjoyed, but didn't really think of as an interest for some reason until until I don't know maybe I picked up this book and I actually got it in Singapore for some reason it was like one of the few things I bought when I was on vacation in Asia um and it was weird because you look through this book and you know if you grew up watching universal movies and whatever I was on in the United States on TV you're gonna have sort of
00:39:06.03
Audrey Rose
Wow.
00:39:26.16
Ben
You know, a point of view of of what is the history of horror or whatever and then you open up this book and it looks like it's from some alternate universe because I wouldn't recognize any of these images. And, you know, I come to find out it took me a while because I don't read a lot. It took me a while to figure out that, oh, these are all hammer movies for the most part.
00:39:44.38
Audrey Rose
yeah
00:39:48.83
Ben
And it's clearly like a UK release. So there's some Kaiju kind of stuff in here and there's some universal, but for the most part, it's all hammer movies. So it feels like you're looking at some kind of history of an alternate universe when you come from, you know, growing up in the United States.
00:40:05.94
Audrey Rose
Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I know. like I love hammer, but then it's like, to me, it's I almost feel like it's either universal or hammer for a lot of us monster kids. You know, it's like, you're either super into universal or you're super into hammer. um But I mean, you know, to me, the most iconic one is Curse of Frankenstein with Christopher Lee.
00:40:31.17
Ben
and Yeah.
00:40:33.45
Audrey Rose
ah His makeup is just so unusual and just gruesome. i just I love that. like I did a painting of that before, but it's just, gosh, amazing.
00:40:44.62
Ben
Yeah, hammers my favorite. I mean, it's just so like I was saying, it's so comforting, you know, it's a very comforting pace to them to the way that they are shot and edited to really be kind of super slow burns. and I love how everything is like shot on a set and I guess with a lot of the old universals it's the same thing but especially like Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein are a picture that very almost they look like a play but I love I love all the set looks on on hammer films and the orange blood and all that good stuff you
00:41:21.61
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. And to me, there's like they're almost a little campy, which just makes it that that much more interesting.
00:41:28.27
Ben
know
00:41:31.72
Audrey Rose
And and I love how they're different take on the monsters. you know um you know like Oliver Reed's Wolfman, so just different and weird. and um Yeah, Hammer's cool.
00:41:47.22
Ben
I was just just watched one that I had seen for the first time because I got a whole new collection um and I really should think of the names of these movies before I start a sentence and ah because the name of the movie has nothing to do with what actually happens in the movie, and now I gotta look it up. We'll get back to that. But it was another Oliver Reed movie. um Anyway, what was the point of the story? There was no point. I've derailed everything.
00:42:28.66
Audrey Rose
Oliver Reed's awesome, so that's a good de-realmant. Okay.
00:42:33.67
Ben
Yeah, I can see how he's popular with the ladies.
00:42:37.59
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good looking.
00:42:41.42
Ben
Captain Clegg, it was ah that we still look get it anyway, I'll just wipe all that out. So ah what's going on with you now? What do you what are you doing? Do you have any sort of lofty dreams that you're chipping away at? Or what's on the docket for you?
00:43:02.04
Audrey Rose
I just I really want to just grow my Instagram and grow um kind of like my identity in the monster world. um So that's why I'm just I'm really pushing myself to um Like just try new things and get my art out there and reach out to people and and like a lot of times like I'll reach out to celebrities and you know, i'll I'll get my art you know, like I'll do a painting for them and then they put it on our Instagram or just like, you know, I get tons of followers, which is super cool and
00:43:38.23
Audrey Rose
you know, I did a painting for Kirk Hammett from Metallica and so then he just like, like a dream, you know, like someone you've idolized since a little kid, like Fletcher or I mean, you know, Kirk Hammett's like the ultimate monster kid, you know, his collection is just incredible.
00:43:50.72
Ben
Yeah.
00:43:54.08
Audrey Rose
But um actually, yeah this summer, I'm working with my friend on a graphic novel about werewolves.
00:44:03.39
Ben
Oh, yeah.
00:44:03.75
Audrey Rose
So yeah, yeah, and it's, It's just, it's going to be so much fun, but it's kind of like a werewolf virus and this guy has to kind of figure out what's going on and it's set in like the 1920s. And my friend, it's funny, we're like yin and yang, you know, like I'm into all this dark, spooky stuff and then she's into, you know. lighter things and and things like that. So we just compliment. so that But then she'll like just pick my brain and be like, I just come up with the crazy, you know, because like I'm into all this crazy stuff and and dark lore. And so I'll just start rattling it and off like different stories and you should include this and you should include that. And, you know, so then it's like, you know, influencing her, ah you know, in the story because my my friend's a ah brilliant writer.
00:44:48.36
Audrey Rose
and And so it's like we just play off each other perfectly. So I'm going to be working on that um a lot. And then i you know I have a list of paintings I want to do. um And then there's a couple art shows coming up that I want to get try to get into. like There's one all about ah bones and skulls. And I think it's a gallery show ah at a tattoo shop in Colorado. So I want to try to get into that. and um Yeah. And so like recently I just got into an international show, um, which is super cool. So, you know, and then, so my art's going to be on a website that, you know, a lot of people are going to see and.
00:45:29.60
Ben
What uh what gallery is that or what country at least
00:45:34.97
Audrey Rose
Gosh. Well, I think they're, they're based in, uh, United States, but then it's like the the call was, was international.
00:45:43.21
Ben
Oh, I get it. Okay.
00:45:44.55
Audrey Rose
yeah yeah so yeah and so and that was sort of another you know semi abstract piece that i i've been you know really the last few years really struggling in and out with depression and things like that so it's like this painting i did was really a representation of kind of delving into that and delving into um
00:45:44.85
Ben
That counts.
00:46:10.04
Audrey Rose
of, you know, my journey with that. So it's, you know, I'll do, I'll do pieces like that. And then of course I got to do like, I want to do a London after midnight, you know, so it's just like it kind of, you know, goes back and forth a bit.
00:46:24.15
Ben
Do you think that there's a relationship between being a horror fan and things like depression or other struggles? Are they just parallel or is there any cause and effect to anything?
00:46:33.58
Audrey Rose
Definitely. Yeah.
00:46:38.60
Audrey Rose
I think for sure, kind of like what we were talking about earlier, we're just the the tortured souls, you know because depression, you know it's it's a lifelong thing that you have to sort of really manage. um There's a podcaster, her last podcast on the left, at Marcus Parks, and he says, you know mental illness isn't your fault, but it's your responsibility. you know And so that really like hit me.
00:47:04.33
Ben
Right.
00:47:06.92
Audrey Rose
like so that's you know really, really you know just focusing on keeping that under control. and And so I think that's what gravitates me towards monsters. And I i have found that a lot with different um people within the the monster horror community that they also struggled with severe anxiety and things like that. And and I think also, yeah, like getting into a world that's so almost kind of
00:47:38.00
Audrey Rose
You know, like you were saying, like kind of fantastical, like it's not, I don't even know if that's a word, but, you know, getting you into, you know, just kind of taking you out of your brain for like an hour and a half, you know?
00:47:42.49
Ben
Yeah, sure.
00:47:48.65
Ben
Yeah, the escapism of it.
00:47:50.27
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I'd like to think that all those monsters were real, but...
00:47:52.29
Ben
and just
00:47:56.74
Ben
just the um the fact that they're outcasts you know I think that when you have ah social anxiety or various you know troubled upbringing or whatever it is that you where you feel more like an outcast than others or ADHD whatever it is that's you know, causing you to make it not easy to be, you know, friends or in groups or crowds or whatever, then I think that there's going to be some parallels there too, of of relating to to the monsters, right?
00:48:33.02
Audrey Rose
Yeah, for sure.
00:48:33.13
Ben
Or just or just the the the look of it in the first place, or what am I trying to say, the the aesthetic of it, of of being like sort of ugly and unappealing on purpose as as like owning it.
00:48:37.63
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:48:46.60
Audrey Rose
Yeah. And that's why, um, like I call myself for a weirdo and I, i like, i I take it and i I use that term in a good way. Like I'm, I think that's cool, but ah like, you know, cause I dress in monster shirts and monster leggings and, and
00:49:02.91
Ben
Wow.
00:49:03.13
Audrey Rose
monster earrings and right now my hair is green, you know, so I go to the store and I get dirty looks, you know, but then I'll get people that go, oh, I love your style. But, you know, a lot of people just, I mean, I dress like this at school, like, and I get dirty looks from teachers and stuff like that because they just, they don't understand just, I can't help it. I can't help but express myself. And so it's really cool when I find someone, you know, who's willing to express themselves also, you know, at the store, I'll just gravitate towards them and just be like yeah you know you look so awesome or you know your hair is killer and um yeah yeah in the seattle area i know right um
00:49:38.73
Ben
That's, it's kind of amazing that, that you could experience that at at all in, you're like basically in Seattle, aren't you?
00:49:49.49
Ben
I mean, like you can't be the first person they've seen with some green in their hair. I'd picture people who who, you know, I feel bad for people who live like in the South and and are a little a little odd and they, you know, get accused of being a Satanist and stuff like that. They're like afraid of of somebody who has color in their hair or or dresses in black, you know?
00:50:14.33
Audrey Rose
Well, yeah, because also a lot of people, um they kind of have like an, I don't want to say ignorant, but it's just, um they don't understand ah that Satanism isn't about worshiping the devil. It's about worshiping yourself and energies and stuff like that. So, um because I've done some research about that.
00:50:32.47
Ben
you
00:50:34.19
Audrey Rose
but Yeah, it' so it's just, yeah, you're into sacrificing babies and, you know, um yeah. And so they just, that's what they kind of just see you as. It's almost like a bad person in a way, which is, you know, I feel sorry for those people. Like I've i've had people make comments. Like I was last summer or whatever, I was wearing a Halloween dress and this guy yelled out of his car, It's a little too early for that outfit or whatever.
00:51:06.46
Audrey Rose
And I was with my kids. And so it was kind of like a learning, you know, teaching moment for them. I'm like, that was pretty awful. You know, what that guy said, like he didn't have to go out of his way to say something so mean, you know?
00:51:20.26
Ben
Right.
00:51:21.74
Audrey Rose
So I try to, you know, I try to teach my kids. you know, to be kind to people, you know? And that's why I i compliment people at the store because I'm i'm a big believer in in energy and um putting out good energy into the world. Like you put out good good energy and it comes back to you. Good things happen for you, you know? um And so just to, I mean, it's that whole thing, like your mom always said, like, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, you know?
00:51:49.90
Ben
Yeah. They're already they're already going around with a chip on their shoulder angry about something.
00:51:54.50
Audrey Rose
right?
00:51:55.60
Ben
It's like you want to yell back like I'm not your dad. I'm talking to him about it.
00:51:59.80
Audrey Rose
I know, right?
00:52:01.14
Ben
I don't know.
00:52:01.77
Audrey Rose
Yeah, it's like, you know, I don't judge people that wear jammies all the time.
00:52:03.12
Ben
big Yeah.
00:52:06.85
Audrey Rose
You know, which is just a very, I don't understand, dude. I just don't like I've, you know, had kids and just been, you know, feeling so terrible. I still put real pants on.
00:52:18.11
Ben
Wow.
00:52:18.36
Audrey Rose
It's just like in kids in school, too.
00:52:20.59
Ben
Yeah.
00:52:20.59
Audrey Rose
It's just like, that's the fashion just
00:52:22.16
Ben
That's so that's a whole other subject. And let me briefly let me briefly go down.
00:52:24.48
Audrey Rose
I know, dude. I'm like, over my dead body.
00:52:27.28
Ben
Let me briefly go down that rabbit hole and just say that we've been noticing going to school our our son goes to a school with ah kids that go up to eighth grade.
00:52:27.70
Audrey Rose
Yeah. No way.
00:52:38.82
Ben
And so you get to see that middle school look and they're still wearing the pajama pants and you know that's fine, but it's never weather appropriate. It could be like snowing and they're wearing shorts.
00:52:47.88
Audrey Rose
I know.
00:52:50.80
Audrey Rose
Yes, I know.
00:52:51.17
Ben
They all dressed like they went to Ross in the dark and just went down like the the sports aisle and got some basketball shorts and some black socks and some slip on shoes.
00:52:59.86
Audrey Rose
I know.
00:53:02.98
Audrey Rose
Yeah, the slip-ons.
00:53:03.09
Ben
and and
00:53:03.86
Audrey Rose
I don't understand.
00:53:05.07
Ben
Well, I realized that our son is going into second grade and he still is not able to tie his shoes. And because is he that's not really ah as much of an emergency as it was when we were kids.
00:53:13.42
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:53:17.79
Ben
Like you had to learn to tie your shoes, but now
00:53:18.53
Audrey Rose
yeah
00:53:21.34
Ben
You don't have to learn. You could just put on slip ons forever. And I was like, oh, crap, these eighth graders are wearing those ah crocs or the Adidas shower shoes because they still I don't think they know how to tie their shoes. I think they're in eighth grades and they're still they're still putting that off.
00:53:34.67
Audrey Rose
No, dude.
00:53:38.87
Audrey Rose
Yeah. It's just, I mean, you know, and you got kids in high school that don't know how to dress in envelope, you know, like even my own kids, uh, they, they don't know how to tie her shoes. They, um, they can't ride a bike because they just don't have any interest. So it's like part of me is like, Oh, I can't believe I didn't teach my kids this. But then, yeah, they just want slip on shoes. They just want all that stuff. So it's kind of weird. how kind of that kind of, I don't know, thing just is kind of disappearing from our culture and just, yeah.
00:54:12.85
Ben
Well, but back to the back to the othering of people, you know, I think that it's it's something that I experience a lot where I live. um because it's I don't know what the exact demographics are around here but it's up in the foothills near like kind of like like near Lake Tahoe basically in the gold country they call it so it's like it's like 50 to 60 percent you know just families and maybe hippies and then 40 percent or so a lot of retired people and and conservatives
00:54:36.09
Audrey Rose
Mm.
00:54:50.29
Ben
um So there's sometimes some culture clashes, mostly with the bumper stickers and, you know, stuff online only but you can tell that there's just like a lot of othering and not understanding and ah a lot of Bay Area people scapegoating you know they just think that all their world's problems are due to people moving from the Bay Area to here like us like we did so but anyway so I catch a little bit of that um but as far as like
00:55:23.78
Ben
Thinking that that you are a Satanist Or or being afraid of Satanists to like I guess that's the extreme of it and it's just so silly because yeah they're taking their pretend of thinking that there's somebody up in the sky watching And and their whole story and then putting it on other people and Even somebody who would like who would identify as a Satanist knows that it's all pretend and that there is there's no like
00:55:39.43
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:55:53.31
Ben
There's no entities out there that are ruling things or, or, or bestowing powers onto people or anything.
00:56:01.83
Audrey Rose
yeah
00:56:02.79
Ben
It's all just pretend. So it is a story that only works for them.
00:56:06.08
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:56:08.54
Ben
And so then why would anybody really try to worship Satan for real? If they knew you'd have to believe that there's also a God who is more powerful and that doesn't, that doesn't track.
00:56:19.37
Audrey Rose
Yeah, and so, uh, Anton LaVey, who started at the Church of Satan in the 70s, he said that like heaven's on earth, you know and and your afterlife is like the legacy that you you create, you know, and that you make things happen for yourself, you know, and that you're your own God and you worship yourself and you, and cause even said, like, you know, the idea that, you know, some, yeah, powerful, you know, God or whatnot in the skies is telling, you know, is making things happen for you because you prayed or whatever, whatever it was like, you have to go out and get it.
00:56:46.96
Ben
Mm hmm.
00:56:56.23
Audrey Rose
You know, you have to go in and really, you know, put in the work and, You know, because it's like, I don't know, nothing gets handed to you. You you got to, you got to work for it. So yeah.
00:57:08.23
Ben
Right. No, I heard recently on one of my podcasts where it's a straight white American Jesus, I would recommend it, where they they talk about like Christian nationalism. I think this is where they were talking about the the that there there's different interpretations of the Bible that have been sort of squashed, perhaps, where originally, Jesus had said, I am a God. And and we as as far as like, we are all a God because we're, you know, people on earth who can do things and have a spirit to us. And I i was like, oh, I can get on board with that. Like if that's really what this guy was about and what he said, of course, that makes sense. Like, yeah. But but to change it to I am God and we're supposed to all um focus on this person who isn't around anymore um as some entity.
00:58:07.85
Ben
doesn't work for me but but i I like to think that it was I am a god and so are you, you know?
00:58:15.27
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. you know It's about loving yourself and and taking care of yourself and and all that kind of stuff. because you know Like I said, no one else is going to do it for you. like so
00:58:29.61
Ben
Well, it just... we yeah We're getting up on the on the hour. I don't wanna get too heady toward the end here, but let me just say, will we'll ah end on a on a high note with some religious talk that you know my family is is religious. um And one of the problems that I've seen with this, as far as like what you take care of in your own life and what you let go and hope that God will take care of but
00:59:01.40
Ben
It also goes in line with with what we've talking about with what we've talked about with mental health and just making a good life for yourself in general, even, where the getting somebody who has clearly like a mental problem in the family, getting them to get the right help when when it's a devoutly religious, yeah you know, fundamentalist Christian family is pretty much impossible. They're not going to seek out professional medical, um you know, medications or or therapy.
00:59:36.61
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:37.61
Ben
they They want to pray it away when somebody is is going on violent um rampages and, you know, locking people in and rooms and the houses and scaring the family members, you know, because they clearly are are like ah bipolar or something.
00:59:39.73
Audrey Rose
Yes, yeah.
00:59:55.14
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
00:59:55.85
Ben
they they don't they want to just say that as well he had a demon in him or they just want to pray it away or make some excuses that he watched too many you know scary movies or whatever it is but they don't they don't take the actions that could be necessary if you know that like it's just like juices in your brains and electrical impulses that aren't working correctly yeah if you know that it's just that and not some kind of soul it's a lot easier to try to address those kind of issues
01:00:13.47
Audrey Rose
Yeah, and chemicals, yeah. when well and because like I think we're still in sort of like the dark ages of mental health and and understanding mental illness and also recognizing that it's real you know and the fact that like it's just like you broke a bone.
01:00:30.11
Ben
Mm.
01:00:36.08
Audrey Rose
you know You got to fix it. You got to work on it. um and That's why i I like to talk, you know, I i talk about it with people just, you know, I don't, I don't think it's a shameful thing. You know, and also, you know, I've had people, um, mean exes who've said that, you know, oh, you're on medication or you, you know, had to go to the mental hospital or whatever. And it's just like, I'm taking care of myself. You know, what's your excuse?
01:01:06.21
Ben
but they brought They brought it up as some sort of fault that you are lesser than.
01:01:10.73
Audrey Rose
Yeah. Yes, that I was you know crazy and that I shouldn't be listened to because you know I don't take advice from you know people that are on medication. It's like, well, that's you should because you're not on medication and you need it.
01:01:24.98
Ben
yeah and Yeah, exactly.
01:01:28.81
Audrey Rose
What's your excuse? so And that's why I don't take that to heart. I'm just like, whatever, dude. Cause I know for me, like how much all of that, you know, therapy and medication has saved my life, you know?
01:01:45.02
Ben
yeah yeah I mean wow there's probably too much to get too many roads to go down on that but yeah I've had similar experiences where I guess it wasn't similar but I was with somebody who who had depression and probably social anxiety and was on and off medication for it and I never was back then I hadn't been diagnosed with anything at at that point
01:01:45.38
Audrey Rose
So.
01:02:15.44
Ben
Um, but the problem was they also had like other issues that you can't really medicate for, you know, like narcissism and stuff.
01:02:22.77
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:25.48
Ben
So, um, that's a whole other issue that has nothing to do with monsters or anything like that.
01:02:34.54
Audrey Rose
Hey man, narcissists, they could be monsters. I've, you know, been in a lot of relationships with narcissists.
01:02:38.52
Ben
Yeah.
01:02:41.33
Ben
I mean, they're this they're kind of the scariest of the bunches.
01:02:41.52
Audrey Rose
It's just like, oh, for sure.
01:02:43.73
Ben
there's You hear a lot about psychopaths and things like you know things like that, but it's there's a it's pretty scary to have to deal with with a narcissist.
01:02:55.39
Audrey Rose
exactly And it's because it's this like kind of insidious thing where you get you don't understand you don't see Them until they take their mask off basically and then it's like yes too late in a sense like oh my gosh I already live with you or I'm already mayor married to you and You know all of these just you know You go on those like narcissists like Instagrams and like you can check off every single one that this person's done to you like oh, okay Yeah, so yeah, but it's yeah That's something
01:03:09.00
Ben
Right.
01:03:21.31
Ben
Yeah. Well, like I guess what's scary about them too is that like, what was Jeffrey Dahmer's? Did he ever get like a ah diagnosis? Was he schizophrenic or just like damaged and nobody knows?
01:03:38.26
Audrey Rose
Well, he had um when his mother was pregnant with him, he she had to take a lot of medication. um
01:03:48.18
Ben
Oh.
01:03:48.36
Audrey Rose
I forget why. And so they think that maybe that kind of contributed. um ah But yeah, I don't know if they actually gave it. It's probably like a psychopath. um But he's also someone that, you know, he had a lot of remorse too. And that's kind of going back to what we were talking about with the monsters and the and the yeah kind of sympathy. i'm I'm one of those people that i don't I don't call serial killers evil. They're severely mentally disturbed, right? And so it's like, because obviously, if you're of sound mind, you're not going to go kill someone.
01:04:22.91
Ben
Right.
01:04:23.27
Audrey Rose
and eat their body. Like, you know, so it's like they're just right.
01:04:24.62
Ben
It's not rational.
01:04:27.42
Audrey Rose
Yeah, they're just damaged and they didn't get the help that they needed or, you know, they had sphere head injuries or they had ah their own traumas, um you know, like PTSD and things like that. Not saying what they do was right at all, but there's reasons for it, you know.
01:04:44.14
Ben
Yeah, and that goes back you that kind of goes back to like narcissism to like they they have their own history, they weren't born with it. And so, you know, you got to kind of temper your your understanding with your own self-protection at the same time and I think that like with with you know like a Jeffrey Dahmer or somebody who's like a serial killer they yeah like they've got some pretty severe mental issues to where they might even enjoy or be interested in in seeking out people to kill and stuff but I think when you when you hear about stories about like
01:05:20.33
Audrey Rose
Exactly.
01:05:25.02
Ben
It's a couple and and somebody just like poisoned their husband or wife, you know, to get them out of the way so that they can go be with somebody else or whatever they feel like is in the way of their happiness.
01:05:30.73
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:05:38.63
Ben
So they just go ahead and try to off their their spouse. I feel like that might be a narcissist and not saying obviously that most people who are narcissists are are killers, but some for somebody to do like do something like that to just be like, well, you're in my way.
01:05:43.13
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:05:55.19
Ben
And I'm just going to do something that's going to get you out of my way. Might be a narcissist.
01:05:58.87
Audrey Rose
Exactly yeah Right. Yeah, there is this ah they call him like black widows like, you know serial killers um There's one her name was Belle Gunness and she she would do that with her husband She's just poison them, you know to take their money or she didn't she killed some of her own kids because yeah, they got in her way or um You know because she just had this vision for her life and this is what she wanted and when people weren't providing that for her, she'd poison you or just you know bludgeon you to death and then go bury you in her backyard.
01:06:33.83
Audrey Rose
you know
01:06:34.27
Ben
Yeah, who's the old lady in Sacramento where I'm i'm near Sacramento um and I'm so bad with names, but there was an no old lady who would, she ran like a boarding home. and got people who were basically homeless like they didn't really have anywhere else to go and she would rent them rooms and then she would off them and take their benefits checks and then like just bury them in her backyard and there was something like, I don't know, 13 people buried in her backyard and she was just pounding those checks.
01:07:12.38
Audrey Rose
Dude, that's crazy.
01:07:12.78
Ben
Dorothea, Dorothea Puentes, that's who it was.
01:07:12.93
Audrey Rose
I know. Ooh, yeah. it It reminds me of H.H. Holmes who did that um in the 1880s in Chicago where he actually built basically like a murder hotel where people would check in and they wouldn't check out.
01:07:18.97
Ben
um Right.
01:07:27.44
Ben
Right.
01:07:28.14
Audrey Rose
He had body shoots.
01:07:28.57
Ben
but He had like torture chambers and stuff, didn't he?
01:07:31.86
Audrey Rose
Yeah, yeah. He loved kind of torturing people to death. like he He put one woman into like a safe and then just slowly filtered in like gas. you know, while he's out there just relishing that, you know, and just, and then he would, yeah, he'd take insurance money. Like he'd have insurance taken out on people um or yeah, taking, you know, their belongings, things like that. So.
01:08:02.32
Ben
Yeah, that kind of stuff ah increases anxiety. So I try to avoid those stories as much as possible now. Like i anything where it's like, you know, even just like fiction, if it's movies about real people, like killers and stuff that that just enjoy enjoy hurting people and killing people, it it kind of freaks me out sometimes.
01:08:11.04
Audrey Rose
Oh.
01:08:27.40
Ben
And I try to avoid that. I like to stick to the to the more ridiculous you know monster type stuff.
01:08:35.16
Audrey Rose
Yeah, i'm just I'm one of those just true crime nerds, man. like i don't know if he's like I got bookshelves and bookshelves of serial killer books. and um I'm always trying to listen to like you know the obscure serial killers you haven't really heard of because you know they're just so brutal. I don't know. I'm just i'm drawn to kind of like dark things and just learning about... because just To me, it's so fascinating. like yeah like How could someone do this? like And it's like, this really happened. It's just crazy. But yeah, I could see, you know, because you also you got to protect your your mental health, like, too.
01:09:11.08
Audrey Rose
I know people that they just don't watch horror movies, you know, because they just, they take it to heart.
01:09:14.55
Ben
yeah
01:09:17.49
Audrey Rose
You know, i have a co-worker where she she can't watch scary movies, but then she can read scary books. So she's read like The Exorcist, but she won't watch the movie, which to me, The Exorcist is my personal scariest movie of all time. I love The Exorcist.
01:09:34.92
Ben
Yeah.
01:09:35.10
Audrey Rose
But you know it's just to me, it's just odd where you can read about it, but you can't watch it.
01:09:35.21
Ben
Yeah.
01:09:40.92
Ben
hi I think the one time that I felt like I was gonna pass out from from getting too into a story wasn't a movie, it was a book. um It was, what was Stephen King's a pseudo-nym for Richard Bachman, right?
01:10:02.17
Audrey Rose
richard Richard Bachman, yeah.
01:10:06.30
Ben
ah He did the the running man and it was so like barely anything to do with the movie They they really went in their own direction for the movie, but the book was was pretty good and and the ending was intense and gory and oddly very like
01:10:09.24
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:10:27.53
Ben
a precursor to 9-11, which totally gives some things away.
01:10:31.26
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:10:32.39
Ben
But there was there was something about, you know, the way that he was like, on death's door, I don't want to give it up too much. But he was like, severely injured this main character in the book and the way that it was described and the things that happened. I just started feeling like woozy. Now his book, I don't know.
01:10:53.93
Audrey Rose
Yeah, because it's just also like when things end on such a sour note, like invasion of the body snatchers, um especially like the 70s one with Donald Sutherland.
01:11:00.47
Ben
Oh, yeah. yeah
01:11:04.42
Audrey Rose
Like after I watched that, like I was just for days affected because it just ends on such a just, we're doomed, you know?
01:11:04.54
Ben
and
01:11:13.39
Ben
Yeah.
01:11:14.46
Audrey Rose
and um It's just yeah, it's cool though when books can like there's a book called ghost story by Peter Straub and the book is just I had nightmares and I don't get nightmares from reading all this stuff or watching but I had severe, intense nightmares from some of the imagery and things like that, but also like the movie cuts out a lot of the just the great story of the book, um as movies kind of do, but the incredible makeup by Dick Smith, in because he also did the extras, but the makeup that he did for the movie Ghost Story is just some of my my most favorite you know makeups.
01:11:49.78
Ben
good a story
01:11:54.16
Audrey Rose
um
01:11:54.77
Ben
I'll have to check that one out. Is that the one with the with the older guys?
01:11:59.24
Audrey Rose
Yeah. So it's like an older guys.
01:11:59.75
Ben
OK, I've seen that one.
01:12:00.88
Audrey Rose
Yeah. And then they had yeah killed a woman when they were younger.
01:12:04.57
Ben
That's right. I've seen that one.
01:12:05.21
Audrey Rose
and Yeah.
01:12:06.70
Ben
That's good. the the body snatchers from the 70s though um is another one of those core scary moments for me like because I think it just I had so many nightmares as a little kid about you're not sure how bodies work and what could kill somebody or how somebody might die or disappear and the idea that somebody you love
01:12:24.78
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:12:30.72
Ben
their body might just turn into a hollow husk, you know, at the end, where he touches her head and it just turns into a hollow dried up husk.
01:12:34.57
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:12:40.98
Ben
ah
01:12:40.97
Audrey Rose
Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:43.77
Audrey Rose
I know it's kind of like the thing, you know, which is people just, they just get taken over and then, you know, you don't know.
01:12:46.57
Ben
Yeah.
01:12:52.44
Audrey Rose
you know who's who and but yeah body snatchers that part with the with the guy the homeless man who got mixed in with his dog that is so like that picture just freaks me out dude this is so crazy
01:13:01.67
Ben
Oh, yeah. That was a good one. Do you feel like after? a Is it cathartic when you've gotten through a horror movie or book and like survived it?
01:13:17.47
Audrey Rose
yeah, you know, that's like, yeah, I was able to get through this. And well, um I don't know if you've ever seen Cannibal Holocaust.
01:13:25.17
Ben
No.
01:13:26.37
Audrey Rose
it's It was banned for a long time. um it's suppose It's supposed to be like a like a fake documentary crew, um which actually in the 70s, they thought it was real, like the Italian government actually made, you know, because the people died in this and and they made
01:13:33.76
Ben
Wow.
01:13:42.93
Audrey Rose
ah the director produced the people in court to actually say they did not die because the the kills were just very brutal and um I had to take a break. I had to take a like a three-month break from watching that movie because they actually killed animals like for real in that movie and it's just something about that was just I mean i mean that you could have like built a fake tortoise you didn't actually have to kill one
01:14:01.31
Ben
Yeah.
01:14:07.35
Audrey Rose
in this just most gruesome, brutal way. So yeah, so stuff like that, like really being affected.
01:14:14.67
Ben
being being cruel and a lazy filmmaker, bad computation.
01:14:14.69
Audrey Rose
um
01:14:17.73
Audrey Rose
Exactly. It's like, come on.
01:14:24.00
Ben
Well, ah so you said what's next for you as far as your projects and stuff. That sounds pretty cool. I wanted to see if there's anything else. What could we end on? We got into some heady stuff. um Where can people find you on the internets?
01:14:42.90
Audrey Rose
So Mad Monster Lady on Instagram um is my main, that's my main platform. um i I have a Facebook that is old. So if you message me on Facebook or you get like, I don't go on there. I just don't like Facebook.
01:14:57.49
Ben
yeah
01:14:57.60
Audrey Rose
um But yeah, Instagram for sure. So Mad Monster Lady. And it has a link to my website for my shop.
01:15:02.52
Ben
Yeah.
01:15:03.55
Audrey Rose
um So yeah, that's where, and I, oh, I'm, I've been invited to the Famous Monsters Con actually in September. So I'll be doing that.
01:15:13.21
Ben
Oh, yeah.
01:15:14.18
Audrey Rose
Yeah. So it's, they, they got me a booth or ah like a table or whatever. So I'm going to bend there. And so that's pretty exciting.
01:15:20.68
Ben
That's cool.
01:15:22.23
Audrey Rose
Um, just ah Pennsylvania.
01:15:22.58
Ben
Where's that?
01:15:25.22
Ben
Oh, wow.
01:15:25.70
Audrey Rose
Yeah. I know it's crazy. It's like,
01:15:28.41
Ben
there's there's some kind of There's some kind of monster kid thing going on in Pennsylvania that I would be interested to find out like what would exactly happens there or happened there. This is why there's such a sort of a, what's the word? There's a lot of there's a lot of people who enjoy horror and sci-fi and stuff. It seems like, I don't know if it has something to do with that drive-in theater, Uh,
01:15:58.26
Audrey Rose
Um, it could be what my theory, cause on the East or the West coast over where I live, like it's really, really hard to find vintage monster stuff. Like i I have a huge collection of vintage toys and stuff, but over on the East coast, I believe that's where a lot of the factories were that produced these toys. So you just like, you'll see a picture of someone, yeah, in Pennsylvania or, or Chicago or New York, where there's just tons of just the most incredible hard to find monster stuff. Um, and then just, it's like, I scour antique stores and things like that.
01:16:35.21
Audrey Rose
And it's just so hard to find anything and else. Also, because it just gets snagged, snagged up so fast, you know?
01:16:42.25
Ben
Yeah.
01:16:42.67
Audrey Rose
Like even going to like toy shows out here, it's just, it's hard to find just the people that are just selling vintage monster stuff. Um, cause it's mostly like the new, new collectibles or, or Funko pops, you know?
01:16:56.88
Ben
Right. Yeah, we had the same kind of luck in like South Dakota. and ah Colorado in like, we were out there in like 2015. And yeah, it just seemed like there's just not really like the level of hipsterism, you know, around there.
01:17:13.87
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:17:14.47
Ben
So people just don't don't have the same demand.
01:17:17.65
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:17:18.07
Ben
So we Yeah.
01:17:18.57
Audrey Rose
Maybe that's it. Yeah, maybe that's it. Like, they're just not interested. You know, because people feel like, what's this? You know, or just donate it. You know, or just try to sell it off.
01:17:25.63
Ben
yeah
01:17:29.08
Audrey Rose
Not knowing this stuff, how valuable it is. There's a candy bucket from the 60s that is of Frankenstein's monster. It's actually glen the Glenn Strange one.
01:17:38.98
Ben
Oh, yeah.
01:17:40.59
Audrey Rose
and That's my holy grail. That's the main thing I need.
01:17:42.70
Ben
Oh, yeah.
01:17:44.89
Audrey Rose
And I mean, I knew someone that founded a thrift store for a dollar and that bucket can go as high as $5,000. So it's like these people don't understand how like high the demand is for but you know weird, creepy stuff.
01:17:57.51
Ben
Yeah. You want to check out the landfills around there, too?
01:18:04.27
Audrey Rose
My mom used to do that when she was a kid, her dad would take her to the dump and she'd find dolls and all this stuff.
01:18:09.84
Ben
That's cool now I went I went to sort of a pre-interview at the dump in San Francisco because they have like an artist residency there Yeah, and you I think you got to be kind of young and and not mind being poor for a while because ah They don't they like barely pay anything really but you know site internship kind of a thing, but they they let you
01:18:11.25
Audrey Rose
yeah
01:18:19.28
Audrey Rose
Really? Huh.
01:18:39.21
Ben
There's like an area where people would come and dump stuff, I think mostly their personal things instead of like the household garbage. And then the tractors would come and start smashing and moving things around. And you would have this little window between the stuff getting dumped out of the pickup truck. And then before the bulldozer comes, where you could run in and grab, oh, look at this lamp or whatever, and grab things. And then you could make sculptures and paintings and whatever.
01:19:06.73
Audrey Rose
Oh, yeah, like found art.
01:19:08.97
Ben
Yeah.
01:19:08.98
Audrey Rose
That's awesome.
01:19:10.36
Ben
Well, they had like a whole closet where they would, if somebody had like paints that they wanted to get rid of house paint to oil paints or whatever, and they would kind of collect all that stuff for you too, if you wanted to paint.
01:19:10.73
Audrey Rose
Yeah, I...
01:19:18.09
Audrey Rose
Wow.
01:19:24.46
Audrey Rose
That's killer. Yeah. I, uh, I always want to like, like, um, people dumping stuff off at, uh, thrift stores. Um, and it's like, I just want to go through this stuff. It's like, let me see what you're donating.
01:19:36.32
Ben
Yeah.
01:19:36.35
Audrey Rose
You know, let me see what you got in there. But you know, they're not allowed to do that.
01:19:41.06
Ben
right
01:19:44.65
Ben
You know, you can't do that. I don't know.
01:19:48.73
Audrey Rose
Dude, I know.
01:19:48.97
Ben
We get tempted to be the guy who comes and receives the stuff to kind of get first take, but they'll they'll fire you for that one too.
01:19:52.25
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:19:56.60
Audrey Rose
Yeah, I knew someone actually that would do that like because she worked at kind of us like a smaller local chain that we we used to have around here and they would let her put stuff aside and we're talking like
01:19:57.14
Ben
You can't be you can't be in there to eyeball the stuff that's getting donated.
01:20:12.15
Audrey Rose
silverware like silver ah she got you know designer clothes that I was able to return to the store with no receipt and got like $200 store credit or you know I put stuff on eBay for her the silver and it just go for hundreds and hundreds of dollars and it's just like she got it for free basically so I well I hope she wasn't stealing it but yeah so I don't know
01:20:37.58
Ben
Wow. Yeah, that's what... Oh, gee, really?
01:20:45.74
Ben
I mean, yeah, my wife does that basically for another stealing. she She goes to thrift stores and ah estate sales and stuff and and buys vintage clothing and resells it on live sales and on Etsy.
01:20:56.49
Audrey Rose
yeah oh yeah my my mom like
01:21:00.62
Ben
The Reverend Finery, find her anywhere out there. But yeah, yeah that that pays all our mortgage and stuff.
01:21:07.58
Audrey Rose
Nice.
01:21:07.86
Ben
So that's nice.
01:21:08.02
Audrey Rose
My mom, ever since I was a little kid, she's always been into like being an antique dealer.
01:21:09.15
Ben
But our living room is full of clothes.
01:21:13.46
Audrey Rose
And so we would go to garage sales every weekend um and and just find stuff to sell. And so I even do that like when I had to hustle, when I was in college. know And I didn't have a lot of money. like I would go and find stuff. And I make $200 every weekend off the stuff I found. But when I was 16 years old, you know I love the Beatles. And so i would I had a lot of Beatles collection and and records and stuff. And I found a Beatles record and I put it on eBay because I'm like, oh, I already have this one. It went for $1,200. And so like you're 16 years old you know back in 2000 and you you made $1,200.
01:21:48.23
Ben
Wow.
01:21:52.81
Audrey Rose
I was kid rich. I was rich. I thought I was rich. But then now you look up this record. It goes for $10,000.
01:21:58.45
Ben
Yeah.
01:21:58.67
Audrey Rose
I'm like, oh my god. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's called Introducing the Beatles.
01:22:03.45
Ben
Wow. What record was it?
01:22:04.92
Audrey Rose
And instead of having a list of songs on the back, it had just ads for other records that the of label sold.
01:22:05.36
Ben
It was a Beatles, like a rare one.
01:22:11.64
Audrey Rose
And it's actually the first stereo Beatles record in the United States. So that's like kind of made it even more valuable. But yeah, like, so it's Introducing the Beatles with, and they call it an ad back. So it had like ads on the back and just like, Like at the end of the auction when people are trying to snipe each other, like my brother and I were watching it and just like every time we refreshed it was up a hundred dollars. You know, up. This is just like crazy. Yeah.
01:25:40.85
Ben
Well, Audrey, we i've I've kept you for for longer than then I had, you know, I've kept you for a while here and I don't want to keep you up today.
01:25:51.71
Audrey Rose
no Yeah, I love talking monsters. Yeah, I could talk monsters like cuz you know you're talking about social anxiety Like I have social anxiety, but man you get me talking about monsters.
01:25:59.53
Audrey Rose
I can I could talk to anyone about monsters all day Nice Yes
01:26:05.46
Ben
Well, that's why I'm here and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing for sure. is there's nobody around here to talk to about this stuff, so they're like, just make a podcast. But we can find you at MadMonsterLady on Instagram, probably not Facebook, because you're not on there, and you're out there.
01:26:21.79
Audrey Rose
Yeah.
01:26:24.43
Audrey Rose
Yeah, I'm trying. Trying.
01:26:27.51
Ben
You're doing it.
01:26:28.29
Audrey Rose
Yeah, it's just I really appreciate you asking me.
01:26:28.68
Ben
Thanks ah thanks again for being part of this.
01:26:30.36
Audrey Rose
It's awesome. Thank you.